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mesogeiakos
Αnd again this according to your interpretation of the data.The paper clearly states that the effect is in the minimums only!
False. The paper shows a termometric regime of the UHI in Athens and its mean il 3.6.
The regressions based on Thiseio data shows UHI evidence. Then the simple computation of simple NOAA means detects the effect of tmin increase on means.
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mesogeiakos
By selective analysis!This is good effort however both from the 1985 and from the
NOAA means Athens is warmer to any place in Europe according to the method that you love!!
Wrong. The 1985 article shows data measured on a peak (unrepresentative) and inside UHI. Let's pretend that the data are right despite of positioning error and UHI: now, where are the comparable means of all the other places in Europe?
"For every X, if X is a place, Athens is warmer"
is a universal statement. In order to verify it you must show data of all the places, and of course you can't. You can say no more than it is the higher mean you know, but it is biased by UHI and position error.
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mesogeiakos
Only from your ''hypothetical'' analysis we have proof of ''strong'' UHI in Thiseio in the means.Not from the paper!
Elementary calculation; can't you replicate or understand it? I can find good tutors for you when you go back to London. There are lots of crash-courses on primary school mathematics and evening courses for workers.
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mesogeiakos
Basically what you do is that from a mix of Davis stations,a mix of uncoherent sources you ''magically'' give at least 2.0C less mean to Thiseio so the comparison is favourable.The problem is that you do not have a fundamental knowledge of Athens and from any random davis stations you make ''Borat'' analysis.
3.6°C is drawn from the Greek authors article, estimated by a station in Athens center and one outside it; I reduce it because they did not correct it for altitude. The 2.6/2.6 figure is fine. "Borat" analysis is elementary (but really really really elementary analysis), so elementary that only a dramatic lack of reasoning skills may make someone unable to understand it.
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mesogeiakos
The paper if perfectly clear that Thiseio has UHI only in the minimums!!How much more obvious can your twisting be?
False. From the paper it is perfectly clear that tmin raise up by 2.6/3.6°C in central Athens compared to rural areas. Without direct comparison with rural station instead, the Thiseio station shows an increase in tmin from 8.23 (1860-1890) to 9.27 (1958-1982); tmax stays stable (27.4-27.4, same intervals), hence tmean (NOAA) raise from 17.82 to 18.3 (with a +0.5 despite the cold 1958-1982 interval for the most recent data. This would be done better by entering the model radio-sounding 850 hPa temperature or rural temperature, or using t_urban - t_rural as a dependent variable.
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mesogeiakos
I know I hurt your ego but again you must understand that we are talking about PhD in meteorology.We can not have in a forum proove that Aosta is the coldest place in Italy or Athens is not the warmest just because a sociologist makes tables!!!
False. I have no interest for heat, and I have even less for UHI heat.
Another false is that Aosta is the coldest place in Italy; it isn't even the coldest city in Italy. Perhaps it is the coldest chief-town of Val d'Aosta, as it is the only one.
I respect Katsoulist and Theaharatos job: it is you who mistify their findings by manipulating and selecting sentences in front of massive empirical data.
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